The English Democrats are far too reactionary to have a stratergy, smart or otherwise.

Daft move, it seems to me. How can parties such as UK First or Veritas, which are British nationalist / unionist and don't advocate an English parliament, unite with the English Democrats in a pro-EP platform? How can the Christian Party (which has absolutely no clue or policy on devolution and English self-government) form an alliance with the explicitly secular Veritas? The thing has no coherence or credibility as a platform to campaign for an English parliament.

Forming an alliance with such groups, while it distances the EDP from racist parties such as the EFP and BNP, also places the party squarely in the ultra-Conservative / nationalist bracket associated with hard-line policies on things like immigration and crime, and extreme right-wing / traditionalist ideas on economics, social policy, and the defence of British, rather than English, culture and traditions. Is that what the EDP wants to be: a party firmly to the right of the Conservatives?

If the rationale for the Alliance is enhancing the EDP's electability, this will not be achieved by such a political positioning, nor by associating the cause of an English parliament with eccentric, non-credible minor parties. Ideologically, the EDP should try to position itself towards the centre, not the ultra-right, which is where elections are won under the present voting system. And they should try to be associated with a single clear idea: an English parliament. In branding terms, this is their unique selling point, just as a referendum on EU membership is UKIP's. Linking itself up with such a rag-tag bunch of disparate movements, none of which share its enthusiasm for an English parliament, can only serve to blur the EDP's key message.

Six different parties all striking for one aim, all it will do is split the voting and help either lying labour, lying torries or lying libites.
Why not all join together and form one party.

Please forgive me I should have read the script properly.

Christ, what a mixture! I wouldn't touch anything involving Steve Uncles with a barge pole.

Steve Uncles is not a liked man i can tell, in all fairness we have a chappy called Dean Lacey who is standing here, i though at first he was a bit full of himself but turns out he's the complete opposite, i personally want to vote for dean lacey as his policies are bang on and the only one i think has some guts to say black is black, Only thing that puts me off is when i google english democrats all i see is how much people hate steve uncles "!! strange, but i wont comment as i dont know him.

As for the alliance it just doesnt make sence however after speaking to members from the other parties they say jumping on board with the Eng Dems is the only choice for them, Combined the votes will help but alot of the policies differ ??? cant understand ????

still i think dean lacy will get my vote .....

Dean Lacy who i have met would get my vote if i lived in his area.Dean is like a great majority of the members of the English Democrats,who all believe passionately in what they are trying to achieve.I was tinkering with the thought of becoming a member of their party,But then i did some checking up on the internet to find out more information about them, the party itself appeals to me but the one person that put me off was Steve Uncles some of his posts on other forums on the internet are disgusting and really show him up for the real bigot he really is.While this person holds a position of power in this party i will not join them.That dosen't mean that if an English Democrats candidate stands in my area i won't vote for them ,because i probably would. In my view there is only one person holding this party back and that is Steve Uncles.

Steve Uncles is a bloody hard worker but unfortunately he has had his nous removed.

BUT.
Labour--Brown- Scot
Conservative--Cameron--Scot born in London and proud of his Scottish roots.
Clegg--Lib Dem--Russo/Dutch parentage.
UKIP---The establishment tricked them into financial collapse and used it to get rid of Farage. That left it open for a leadership takeover by two---You've guessed it---Scots.
BNP---Welshman born in Essex but prefers to live in Wales.
All four leading parties and not one with reason or motivation to put the interests of the English on even a par with the rest of the UK.

Don't you think that it is about time that England had a leadership with just a vestige of cultural, historical, or ancestral attachment with the country that they intend to lead.
Take a look at the disaster that Blair, Brown, Menzies Campbell, Steel, Reid, Cook, Dewar, Prescott, Kinnock Ashdown,Kennedy, Rifkind, et al have presided over.
Will any Englishman ever lead the Welsh assembly? Hollyrood, Stormont, or any other country in this world?
No, those populations are not so stupid.

Yet another alliance. To me party alliances merely expose a lack of conviction.

The first party I joined was the Social Democrats Party and left when the Liberal takeover happened, which I opposed.

A potentially good party was ruined. If I'd wanted to be a Liberal I would have joined the Liberal Party.

The EDP never seems to learn from its mistakes. All it needs now is a "celebrity" candidate with no English nationalist credentials to throw a spanner in the works Matt O'Connor-style, to confirm it is still trudging the same pit-holed path.

What the electorate want is politicians with the courage of their convictions. I reckon people are actually sick of party politics and if Martin Bell can get his act together with his alliance of independents, it could do well at the general election. An alliance of MPs standing up for their locality, but voting for national issues according to their conscience, is very attractive.

The EDP should be offering a new open style instead of the hackneyed machiavellian party techniques and alliances. Instead it runs a pathetic Facebook campaign worthy of the deceitful Liberal Democrats. In other words it offers nothing other parties are not already offering and which the voters are heartily sick of.

I'm disappointed with this alliance.

Ok, so nobody likes Steve Uncles.

Let us have a look at him.
Bad points.
Tactical ability of an earwig. (case proved)
Totally nousless. (guilty)
Has undergone personality bypass surgery. (open to debate)
Aggressive and has the diplomatic skills of a Tasmanian Devil. (case proved)
Prone to Richter scale 8 gaffs. (case proved)

Good points.
Has spent many years fighting for England.
Is very energetic and not frightened of a fight.
Works very hard for the cause.
Has put tens of thousands of his own money into the fight for England.
Attends nearly all meeting and events that are England specific.
Takes on organisational and administrative jobs that others won’t.
Is dogged and determined will not run because he is under attack.
Does not get despondent.
Does not spread defeatism.
He does not stand back cheering others to do work that he is unwilling to attempt.
He is not a coward.
Will take the flak and fight back.
Has built up good Party structure in South East and has achieved good electoral results.
He wastes time answering silly blog posts but also spends a lot of time leafleting.

I would contend that someone like that is not all bad.
He does not deliberately work against his country.
The Commons contains about 640 out of 645 MPs that do and that is the target we should be attacking.

Nobody is perfect but if you want to attack Steve Uncles then at least qualify to do so by doing as much for England as he does. How do you measure up?
He tries whilst you refuse to join the fight because you disagree with one personality or one policy.

You don’t have to like him, you don’t have to agree with him but you do need to earn the right to criticise him and if you love your country you can only do that if you are prepared to get stuck in, put in the same effort and earn the right to replace him.
Spreading lies, rumours, despondency, malice, portraying assumed intellectual superiority by uninformed blogging does not qualify.
I am no fan of Steve Uncles but what he does at least deserves recognition and some respect.

Take a look at Stephen Gash's post above.
It is typical of the type I portray. Not a member of any political organisation but he insists on contributing but only as an adviser. Always negative, always whining always telling others what they need to be doing. Give me Uncles any day, but with a muzzle on.

Always negative? Total crap. I reckon I have served England in a positive way, not least with the EDP, but I am not so stupid as to continue with an organisation that never seems to learn.

I have two causes that I am passionate about, the first being England and English independence. The second being stopping Islam and indeed reversing it. I am a founding member of Stop Islamisation Of Europe which I consider to be a political organisation.

I withdrew from the EDP national council because of my anti-Islamism, which I recognise as being a tad contentious (and political). The English have a tough enough time as it is with the whole of the fetid, stinking British establishment against them, not to say the media. So, I didn't want to burden the cause even more.

I've spent literally weeks defending the EDP, not only in the media, but also against attacks by other organisations in the English movement, particularly after Matt O'Connor attacked the CEP, for example.

However, this defence was blown out of the water when the EDP made its near disastrous, and completely useless, alliance with another party. It was then I withdrew altogether from the party.

In my honest opinion, the EDP was, and probably still is, the only party that holds out any hope for the English. Trying to change the mainstream parties from within has signally failed. However, the EDP has to understand that the English want an English party to focus on England. Therefore, it absolutely does NOT need to ally with any other party.

An alliance with another party/organisation calling itself "UK First" has no hope whatsoever of gaining support from someone like me or people like me.

If you actually look at the list, the others need the EDP more than the EDP needs them.

This says it all to me

Policies to include:-

1. Withdrawal from the European Union.
2. English Parliament.

Number one being "Withdrawal from the European Union" when it should be "English Parliament".

That shows where the real aims of this so-called alliance lay. The real fight for this alliance is getting *THE UK* out of the EU rather than "Putting England First".

As a possible labour candidate this year in the GE i have decided to pull out , why ???

1. The English Democrats are the only party that MY party are talking about, they are now a real threat to us.

2. They have gained a 150% rise in supporters just in my area of kent.

3. The policies ARE working

4. I cannot compete with the shear patriotism !!!

WE THE LABOUR SIMPLY CANNOT COMPETE WITH SUCH A FAST PACED PARTY !

Hi everyone. This is my first post on this site.

Are the ED's and individual members of the party perfect? I guess not. Have mistakes been made along the way? For sure.
Will party performance improve as time goes by? I hope so.
We all must remember the ED's are a new political party. We are fighting in an arena that is well known territory for the established parties. Those British parties who continue to deny England a political existence.
But please recognise this. Whatever faults we have right now. The English Democrats are the only political party that offer the possibility of getting an English voice into Westminster at the next election.
I urge you, do not spread disunity by criticising individuals, even if you personally dislike them. Do not spread disunity by criticising policy decisions, because you dislike them. All those that believe England has a right to it's own government, need to stick together. Particularly in these early days of English nationalism. To get our just cause to the forefront of politics. To enable the English voters to see there is an alternative to anti-English Labour/Tory/Lib-Dem.
Once this has been achieved, we will then be in a much stronger position. Then will be the time to examine the detail of policies and personnel.

Hi Daggs and welcome,

I wouldn't disagree with anything you say there and feel too that The English Democrats are our best hope of getting the English question at the forefront of political debate. It is for this reason that I personally feel disapointment at the way the party has a tendancy to shoot itself in the foot. Would that stop me from voting for them? Probably not. Would it stop others voting for them for whom the question of English democracy is less of an issue? Definately yes I'd say.

Daggs,you talk good sense. Sometimes the movement for an English Parliament reminds me of a football team who spend so long squabbling amongst themselves that they languish at the bottom of the league.

I think we need to realise that it is not English patriots that are denigrating the Eng Dems. It is not party infighting. It is not bad decisions. Look for motives and you won’t go far wrong. More people are murdered than commit suicide.

The people who are trying to disintegrate the party are activists from other political affiliations.
("Mark Pack is a key player in the Lib Dem blogosphere and one of the main contributers to the successful Liberal Democrat Voice blog, on which he plays the part of attack dog, with a constant stream of blogposts highlighting scandals in other parties.")

In the relatively rich main parties people are employed to study, and trawl the internet in order to kill off opposition. Some are enthusiastic amateurs, you soon pick those out. (Funny names are sometimes good clues and they are always negative.)
These people realise that not having access to the national media, the internet is the lifeblood of small parties. To indulge these people is to help them in their destructive agenda. Their plot is to confuse, dispirit and deject you.This tactic is widespread and part of their election strategy.
Outspoken and unpopular activists within small parties are prized gifts to people like this. They can be used as focal points to steer you away from issues.

They cannot yet control the net so they seek to disrupt it, spread rumour and hope to confuse you into either switching sides or not voting. You have to look at party manifestos, decide which to believe, look at track records and choose the party closest to your ideal and back them.

At this time, when the main stream political agenda is to destroy England, neutrality is not an option. Having once decided don't switch horses unless a better prospect with a better chance arrives. Swap only on positive, not negative stimuli and you will be negating the destructive efforts of party dirty trick departments.

That way you will not be one of the manipulated masses and you will be heading in YOUR chosen direction. At the moment there is only one horse in the race for people who support England, would like an English parliament and would like the other countries of the UK to fend for themselves.
You are not in a position to affect the outcome of the race because you do not have inside information, leave the jockey to do his job.

Once again Stephen Gash is totally negative.

He now feels totally shattered by the way we get out of the EU.
I don't give a damn about how, my priority is when. That needs to be as soon as possible. Waiting for an English parliament before doing so is like waiting till someone mortally wounds you before you retaliate.

10 yrs for an English parliament is not unreasonable, it took the SNP 70 and that with no opposition from the rest of Europe to contend with. By that time there will be no England or UK and the SNP will be a regional government.

An English parliament within EU would likewise be a regional government (Probably unelected, at least its members would have to be EU approved.)

We need out of the EU pretty damn quick and then we have time to settle other issues. Dealing with Scotland will be a piece of cake compared with trying to get an autonomous English parliament within the EU.

To hell with sideline booing we need out of the EU and into an English parliament pretty damn quick whilst we still have a bit of time. Help rather than hindrance would be the constructive way forward.

This is my first post on EP. I fully back an English Parliament, but the EU won't allow it. So the first task is to get out of the EU.

I don't really think it makes much difference who ED ally themselves with. The only real alternative are UKIP and they refused any connection.
To my point of view, the Alliance for Democracy will just be a side issue, that again takes just enough votes away from UKIP to disable their chance of a win.
Why split the vote in this way? Because of the egos of the leaders!

Dunelmian, You say the EU won't allow an English parliament. Have you not noticed the EU has allowed a Scottish Parliament and Welsh/N.Irish Assemblies. What's the difference if England votes for it's own Parliament?
I'll tell you what the EU won't allow...The withdrawal of the UK from the EU.
Don't be concerned about the Alliance for Democracy. It is an agreement with other small parties, to not take votes from the ED's. Not to take yours.

Hello REDS, well its a shock to see you have decided to stand down, but i commend you ! most people wouldnt admit what you have but your obviously a man with integrity!

I had been a conservative voter for many years. I agree that there is much inner fighting , not so much in the EDs but more like at OUR meetings. Tactics are what they are , but when they are trying everything to discredit someone from the EDs just because they are a real threat then that is silly! i wish the EDs well in this election because i have seen what my party are capable of and also i beleive now that an english parliament really will work.

Again Alf King writes total crap about me, but then goes on to confirm what I say.

The main focus of this "alliance" is to get out of the EU. However, UKIP is not part of it, whereas UK First is.

The afterthought is an English Parliament.

My focus is England and the English. The English are the most EU-sceptic people and having their own parliament will give them a direct say in the EU instead of the current Anglophobic British one.

The British establishment does not even recognise England as can be seen from the membership of the British-Irish Council membership http://www3.british-irishcouncil.org/member/membermain.asp

This Council decides on the distribution of English taxes without a single Englishman sat at the table.

The real enemies of the English are the British.

If you have some mindboggling notion that I am somehow pro-EU than I will make it plain that our organisation SIOE, appears to be the only ones highlighting the dangers of Euromed and Eurabia.

http://ec.europa.eu/external_relations/euromed/index_en.htm

http://www.enpi-programming.eu/wcm/index.php

It is set to appoint its first Secretary General in February. http://www.ansamed.info/en/top/ME11.XAM19063.html

No mention of this on the so-called EU-sceptic blogs or party websites.

So, my priority is getting an English Parliament and then holding referenda on getting out of the UK and Eurabia ASAP.

The British won't do this. We've just seen how the rabidly Anglophobic British establishment has scotched a referendum on an English Parliament with its Power 2010 charade.

Tell me of one Scottish nationalist party that is EU-sceptic. My guess is that if one started now it would gain seats from the LibLabNOCONINSCOTLAND alliance and probably from the SNP at the general election. Scots don't have the guts to start one though.

The UK is the glue sticking England to the EU, so the sooner we get an English Parliament the better, but this means it has to be the priority, not an afterthought.

Getting the UK out of the EU certainly does not mean the English will get their own parliament. Just the opposite in my opinion.

Putting England First! is what the EDP proclaim and they should stick by it.

This looks like an SU V to me contributing to global warming.

Thought I would join up to see where the jury team was going as after GNE it seemed to have disappeared again, turned up in a strange collection of anti gay rights, anti european and query ultra right wing, what happened to independants and open primaries

has a jury team member that stood in the europena election, a lot fo the parties listed in the allaince gain a lot of votes, the english demerocrats done well so did the cristian party as well as no2eu and the jury team.

it is a way forward as many of the polcies in the jury team is the same as the english demrocrats etc. if you look at the history of the united kingdom, we do have an english parilment it is called west minister and over time this became the parilment for the welsh, scots and the northern ireland as well. it just means that mps from the different 4 countries shoulsd not have a vote on english matters.

when i go to a trade union event, the chair of the meeting says this is only for england wales so scot and the north ireland do not hacve to vote on this subject and visa versa

lets get as many differnet mps in parliment for this allaiance as this would upset the main parties. and also rasie each parties profile as well.

Just wish the jury team would stick to one idea rather than flopping around and changing its princles at a whim

Fast paced, they are good people with idiots at the helm, peel away the layers, and you find EFP, BPP, BNP, NF, Kevin Sills national democrat flunk candidate for edp, Mark Cotterill, EFP fascist and ex combat 18 stooge, need I go on. Uncles has made so many alliances, you get all the white supremacy notions amongst the good people of the EDP, the problem is Uncles and his band of merry supremacists are going to drag this party down. Peter Davies is a laughing stock, he wont be there next election, Dartford they want to bully in to having a mayor because they think they got support there, the locals just call their actions stunts. Once they get rid of the idiots in the party they will be fast paced, but for now, every step forward, Uncles does something that takes them three back, be it insulting some one on a forum, or making pacts with stupid parties.
Hopefully if they get no seats or only one, the members will call for him to resign his post, and get someone in that will prgress the party futher.